ask you, real people, not politicos is what sarah palin says. is that an effective message? >> it an effective message. there's real questions about where the money comes have and the consultants that are tied to this established, old-time republican operatives. it's interesting to sort of see, you know, are they using the anger and frustration of so many of these people for their own political gain for the establishment. >> joe, you're nodding. yeah, this is for me, a work in progress because i've sort of been looking into the financial funding. the spokesperson for opensecrets.org is on the record saying their money comes from things like health care professional, believe it or not, which is fascinating. from, you know, financial concerns, retirees, and one of the big questions, of course, is how much charles and david cook, the big conservative funders, are actually putting into that. it's not clear to me, i mean, i don't know that. so it's sort of dribs and drabs. >> first of all, i think we have our new york guest joining us, john avalon and erick erickson joining us.